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This is a possible 5 Times Kirk/Spock ficlet that I wrote last night. Not sure how I feel about it, so I thought I'd leave it up to my f-list. What do you think?

Working title: Five Times They Felt the Sting of Prejudice (and One Time They Were Surprised By Someone's Acceptance)
Rating: PG-13 (for strong, offensive language)
Disclaimer: Don't own Star Trek.

They were eating lunch in a small diner in Iowa during a Shore Leave. Spock was working through the Chef's Salad, while Jim scarfed down a greasy cheeseburger.

No manner of argument could persuade Jim to change his diet to vegetarian one, but Spock found he did not truly mind. The debates they engaged in over the subject were always stimulating. This was the center of their light-hearted discussion when a local, probably in his early to mid-twenties, appeared at their booth in the corner of the diner. They did not even notice him until he spoke.

"You fucking fags enjoying your lunch?"

Spock often remarked on the illogical nature of such insults to Jim, particularly on the matter of not getting worked up over them, and yet he could not help but bristle at the man's harsh words and tone. The dangerous, almost murderous expression that appeared on Jim's face in the moments after reminded Spock quite quickly of his own teachings, and he spoke up before Jim could get the chance.

"Remove yourself from our vicinity." He said it swiftly, and in a tone that left no room for argument, not even bothering to look at the man.

"I don't hear ya denying it; guess you really are fags," the man insisted, clearly in the mood for an argument, as if Spock had not spoken.

Jim stood abruptly. Spock could not help the warning "Jim." that escaped him. It would be prudent to avoid a physical altercation.

"I don't know if you just have trouble understanding basic English, but I'm pretty sure he told you to fuck off. So fuck off," he said, barely concealed fury making his words short and brittle.

Spock wasn't sure whether to stand or remain seated. He was torn, debating the matter intently. But the man before them sneered and stepped back, the very picture of the no longer perplexing (to Spock) human expression 'all talk, no action'.

As the man left, throwing a gesture in their direction that Spock felt irrationally bothered by, Spock turned his gaze to Jim, who was quietly gazing out the window, seemingly at the dusty road in the distance. He carefully watched for Jim's reaction, and was surprised when Jim simply sat down and started in on his french fries, as if the past minute and thirty-four seconds had not occurred at all.

Spock did not attempt to revisit the matter, but its weight settled between them unpleasantly. It only let up once they'd put considerable distance between themselves and that diner.

For whatever reason, Spock could not fight the illogical feeling that he had insufficiently handled the situation.

So that would be it for now. Thoughts? I haven't really considered what other situations they might find themselves in, but I have a few vague ideas. Please leave a comment if you can!

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Date: 2009-07-29 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockinhamburger.livejournal.com
Thank you for reading and commenting! That's encouragement I definitely need!

Date: 2009-07-29 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luna-moonsilver.livejournal.com
Ooh, I like it :) And it's different to most other things I've seen, in that, when their relationship isn't accepted, usually, it's because Spock needs to save his species or something, not because homosexual relationships are looked down upon.

So, yeah... moar plz? :D

Date: 2009-07-29 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockinhamburger.livejournal.com
Right, I've seen that more commonly as well. And I'm not sure how common homophobia would be in the 23rd century, but I have a bad feeling it would still exist (and certainly on Earth), much like any prejudice. I'm not sure you can ever erase prejudice from collective thought. You can diminish it quite a bit, but elimination seems unlikely.

Which is so interesting to work with in the Star Tek fandom.

Thanks for reading and commenting! Hopefully I'll be able to come up with more decent situations. I'm afraid they'll all fall short of this one.

Date: 2009-07-29 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luna-moonsilver.livejournal.com
Yeah, because I'm sure that had something to do with something Gene Roddenberry said about the Spock/Kirk thing. I think. I could be living in a weird kind of dream here XD

And I'm so sure they won't :) I have faith in you and your awesome writing skills. It'll be great :D

Date: 2009-07-29 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockinhamburger.livejournal.com
Roddenberry, as we all know, is pure genius. He did indeed have something to say about the relationship between Kirk and Spock. Here it is:

Yes, there's certainly some of that -- certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal-- we never suggested in the series-- physical love between the two. But it's the-- we certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century."

That's as good an admission as any.


I'm worried that film!KirkandSpock won't have the same intensity to their as their Prime counterparts once had. I think in some ways society had regressed when it comes to relationships between men, which is surprising. In the 60s and 70s, Kirk and Spock could be that close and still be considered friends, but now I'm not so sure the writers of Star Trek will be willing to go there. There's just so much immaturity, that fear of anything remotely gay, and it makes me angry and kinda sad! I hope I'm wrong about that!

Date: 2009-07-30 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luna-moonsilver.livejournal.com
Yes! Yes! I knew I'd read that somewhere XD ... But see, there's the 'if that were the particular style of the 23rd century' on the end, that confuses me a little :)

And I'm not sure about the film!KirkandSpock and Prime thing... That could be why they had Uhura as Spock's girlfriend though, 'cause they could still talk about a defining friendship, have the two get impossibly close over the course of a two hour film, but go, 'no, look, Spock's straight 'cause he's going out with this girl and Jim's straight 'cause he's a bit of a man-whore.' It seems wholly unfair, but it may be the way they decide to deal with it... I don't know. I saw a post on the Spock and Kirk comm the other day where they said that Star Trek had the first multi-racial kiss, so why couldn't they have a gay relationship that is just sort of there, not in your face or anything, and I have to say that I kind of agree with that :)

*looks up at comment* Huh. I haven't half rambled on, have I? XD

Date: 2009-07-30 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockinhamburger.livejournal.com
Oh good! I'm so glad it wasn't just me. At first I was like, "really? That's why people think he approved of K/S?" But now I think I get it. He's saying, as an afterthought to the series, that if society were to be accepting of homosexuality in the 23rd century, there would be more than enough feelings between the two to support a sexual, physical aspect of their relationship.

Frankly, it is very obvious to me that Kirk and Spock were in love with each other in TOS. I haven't even seen all the episodes, just clips on YouTube, and it boggles my mind that anyone could ever think they weren't. So many moments that are loving, and not just friendly, platonic kind of love, but the romantic, unconditional kind.

And I certainly hope the new movies explore that. They definitely put Uhura in there like that for a reason, and I think that's probably it, even though it's exasperating. I don't like the idea of Uhura being a token girlfriend, a beard if you will.

R-ramble? Whatever do you mean? I am uncertain what rambling looks or sounds like...

:D

Date: 2009-07-30 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luna-moonsilver.livejournal.com
Yeah, I think the best moment of that is in a clip I saw of Amok Time, after Spock thinks he's killed Jim, and when he hasn't, he smiles! Like, a real smile :) I mean, I am an advocate for relationships-can-be-platonic-and-really-really-really-close, but I think it just goes totally beyond that.

Ugh, the Uhura thing annoys me. Not because she annoys me - well, in the film a little, but that's more to do with the way in which they've used her character. Because she's obviously pretty awesome, can do all this technical linguistic stuff, is promoted massively in the trailers, and then - nothing. She doesn't even really take Jim on at any point *thinks through movie* No, I mean, there's the bits at the beginning, then when he becomes captain, but she's kind of been pushed to the back, and I find myself a little on the fence about her, when actually, I would totally love to be her XD (I'm into languages and all that, so hers would definitely be the job I want).

... I'm grring at the Star Trek people now XD And ... yup, totally rambling. *points above* This is definitely what A Ramble looks like :) You should see one in the wild :D

Date: 2009-07-29 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andieshep.livejournal.com
Nice start, can't wait to see what you come up with! :)

Date: 2009-07-29 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockinhamburger.livejournal.com
Thanks! I'm still considering more scenarios, but hopefully I'll be able to work on it tonight!

Also, sorry about the glaring errors. I'm gonna go fix them now, and I'm grateful they didn't stop you from reading it!

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